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For Those Who Say “It’s The Job Of The Church To Care For The Sick, Not The Government’s!”



Okay, my fellow Christians.

We should chat.

Last week the House of Representatives voted to repeal Obamacare, and a lot of you were actually celebrating this development even though estimates are that at least 24 million people will lose access to healthcare if this bill becomes law.

When pressed as to why the people of Jesus– people who are supposedly called to be lovers of mercy and filled with compassion– would support such a thing, the excuse comes down to a frequently recited line: “It’s the church’s job to care for the sick, not the government!”

I’ve heard this line a thousand times. You use it frequently and in a variety of circumstances.

I mean, when you’re called out for supporting the slashing of food stamps and programs to help the poorest among us, you say the same thing:

“That’s the job of the church!”

And, I get it. You are partly right– caring for the poor and sick is the job of the church!

In Matthew 25 Jesus taught that at the final judgement he will sentence some Christians to divine punishment because they did not care for the poor or welcome immigrants. We also see the early Christian church in the book of Acts embrace a system of redistributing wealth so that there would be “no poor among them.” When the disciples commissioned the Apostle Paul he recounted, “all they asked me to do was to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do” (Gal 2:10). And then of course, there’s James who claimed that if we do not help the poor the love of God is not in us.

So, yup, you’re right: Caring for the poor and sick is the job of the Church. It’s not optional.

This brings me to a question I have for all the Christians who say, “The Church, not the government, should care for the sick”:

How many people in your local community does your church provide comprehensive medical care for?

I ask you this because I want to know something: I want to know if you actually believe it when you say it’s the “job of the Church.”

So, tell me– how many people does your church provide health coverage for? Do you provide a comprehensive insurance plan to the people in your community who can’t afford it, or do you have a team of doctors on staff at your church who see patients throughout the week? If not, what is your plan to provide medical coverage for all the people in your local area who might lose it if Obamacare is actually repealed?

I could ask you the same thing about food stamps, and all the other programs for the poor which you claim is actually the “job of the Church.”

If you believe that’s the job of the Church, is your church doing it?

I ask for a few reasons.

First, I ask for a practical reason: I already know there’s a 99.9% chance your church doesn’t do this. Research from the Barna group has shown that only about 5% of Christians tithe, and that the majority of Christians give less than $500 a year to their church or a charity organization. I honestly have no idea how the church is supposed to provide medical care for the poor when, statistically speaking, most Christians give little to no money to their church or outside charities.

Second, I ask for a pastoral reason: If you say that “it’s the job of the Church to care for the sick” but your church doesn’t do it, doesn’t that make you a hypocrite? Because reality is, if you claim this but your church isn’t attempting to do it, you don’t really believe it. This is precisely what hypocrisy is: Saying you believe something when your actions show you don’t really believe it.

Thus, if your church isn’t attempting to care for the sick in your community, the reason is because you don’t actually believe that’s the role of the Church. If you believed it, you’d do it.

And, I hate to tell you this, but according to Matthew 24:51, hypocrites will be assigned to the place where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The sin of hypocrisy is every bit as serious as blasphemy, idolatry, sexual sin, etc.

Furthermore, there is nothing in Scripture that prohibits a secular government from caring for the health and welfare of citizens. The fact that yes, it’s the job of the Church, doesn’t mean that everyone else– including government– is somehow forbidden from doing it, too.

The idea that a government “of the people” cannot provide for the poor and sick simply isn’t in the Bible.

Is caring for the sick the job of the Church?

It certainly is– but the average church doesn’t do it. Even if we did, the likelihood we could do it on the scale needed to address the current crisis is rather implausible.

Which brings me to my ultimate question: If caring for the sick and poor is the job of the Church, but the Church doesn’t do it, why do we get so upset when entities outside of the Church (like government) step in and do what we have refused to do?

In my opinion, we should be embarrassed, not angry.
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In my opinion you should be embarrassed.  While it is the job of the Church to care for the sick, the widowed and orphaned, the starving and the homeless and to visit those in prison, it is also the "job" of the individual.  So  i ask, what have YOU done as an individual to perform those tasks, 6996?   For you information, most churches that I know of have mission programs that do those very things.  To advocate for the government to do those things is to pass the buck and feel good about it. 
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This isn't about me, Why not send a letter to the author challenging the Bible verses he used to support his position.

The author admitted the Christian individual should give.
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It is the job of the believers to care for their own sick, widows, and fatherless ( the Greek uses orphans but the Torah always stated the fatherless) FIRST, then if they are able to help even the unbeliever to be a witness unto them. But here is the catcher, we are NOT to just give them handouts, we are to allow them to work for their food and help. This gives them dignity. There is a time and place for helping especially if one is sick or disabled. But if they are able to work, then they should.

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“It’s The Job Of The Church To Care For The Sick
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 10:34:02 PM »
"And every one that heareth these sayings of Mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.--Matthew 7


So then, what does Jesus say? 

Well, for starters, none of this...

Caring for the poor and sick is the job of the Church. It’s not optional.

In Matthew 25 Jesus taught that at the final judgement he will sentence some Christians to divine punishment because they did not care for the poor or welcome immigrants.*

"And then of course, there’s James who claimed that if we do not help the poor the love of God is not in us."


"But [Jesus] answered and said unto him that told Him, Who is My mother? and who are My brethren? And He stretched forth His hand toward His disciples, and said, Behold My mother and My brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of My Father which is in heaven, the same is My brother, and sister, and mother."
--Matt.12

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me."
--Jesus, Matthew 25

"My brethren..."--James 2

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
--Revelation 6

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* Jesus says "stranger", which also means "guest" in Greek.

Guests are invited, they don't illegally enter your home... or your homeland.
                                                 ... and then stand in line for health care.  ::)
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This isn't about me, Why not send a letter to the author challenging the Bible verses he used to support his position.

The author admitted the Christian individual should give.

Of course it's about you, 6996; it became about you when you posted it.  Especially when some of us remember you saying those same things. For example, that redistribution of wealth/commune deal should have rang the bells in every mind that read it from you the last time.
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Luke 10:25-37

25 One day an expert on Moses’ laws came to test Jesus’ orthodoxy by asking him this question: “Teacher, what does a man need to do to live forever in heaven?”

26 Jesus replied, “What does Moses’ law say about it?”

27 “It says,” he replied, “that you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind. And you must love your neighbor just as much as you love yourself.”

28 “Right!” Jesus told him. “Do this and you shall live!”

29 The man wanted to justify his lack of love for some kinds of people,[a] so he asked, “Which neighbors?”

30 Jesus replied with an illustration: “A Jew going on a trip from Jerusalem to Jericho was attacked by bandits. They stripped him of his clothes and money, and beat him up and left him lying half dead beside the road.

31 “By chance a Jewish priest came along; and when he saw the man lying there, he crossed to the other side of the road and passed him by. 32 A Jewish Temple-assistant walked over and looked at him lying there, but then went on.

33 “But a despised Samaritan[c] came along, and when he saw him, he felt deep pity. 34 Kneeling beside him the Samaritan soothed his wounds with medicine and bandaged them. Then he put the man on his donkey and walked along beside him till they came to an inn, where he nursed him through the night.[d] 35 The next day he handed the innkeeper two twenty-dollar bills[e] and told him to take care of the man. ‘If his bill runs higher than that,’ he said, ‘I’ll pay the difference the next time I am here.’

36 “Now which of these three would you say was a neighbor to the bandits’ victim?”

37 The man replied, “The one who showed him some pity.”

Then Jesus said, “Yes, now go and do the same.”

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The Samaritan didn't know or care if this needy individual was a Christian.

James 1: 22-27
22But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. 24You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. 25But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.

26If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. 27Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

James 2:14-16
14 Dear brothers, what’s the use of saying that you have faith and are Christians if you aren’t proving it by helping others? Will that kind of faith save anyone? 15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and clothing, 16 and you say to him, “Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat hearty,” and then don’t give him clothes or food, what good does that do?

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Luke 10:25-37

30 Jesus replied with an illustration: “A Jew going on a trip from Jerusalem to Jericho was attacked by bandits. They stripped him of his clothes and money, and beat him up and left him lying half dead beside the road."

"And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead."--KJV

Where did your NT version get the word "Jew" from, 6996? 
The Greek word for Jew isn't there.
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/B42C010.htm

"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD."--Leviticus 19:18

In the OT verse, thy neighbor was a member of the same race. 
Which means that the "certain man" was NOT a Jew.

And you've missed the whole point of Jesus' parable, 6996.


James 2:14-16
14 Dear brothers, what’s the use of saying that you have faith and are Christians if you aren’t proving it by helping others? Will that kind of faith save anyone? 15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and clothing, 16 and you say to him, “Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat hearty,” and then don’t give him clothes or food, what good does that do?

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?"--KJV

And where does your bible version get the words "Christian" and "friend"?
Those words aren't there in the Greek verse, either.
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/B59C002.htm

And you've missed James' point as well, by substituting "friend" for those whom Jesus has described as brethren.


Version choice matters, apparently.
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6996, the parable that Y'shua gave is dealing with a certain man which came from Jerusalem to Jericho, so it could have been a Jew, or a Samaritan, or even a Roman, but most likely a Jew because they were hated and treated like dirt and if it were a Roman, there would be some deaths among the Jews. Anyhow the Samaritan was considered a half breed, half Israelite and half of the nations and they were despised by the Jews. So the Samaritans were people who were sojourning in the land of Israel, whereas the Romans were occupying the land and not desiring to really live there. They were about conquering. So the Samaritan would be one who desires to live out the Torah but the Jews who happen to have the Torah reject them.

So the one who fell among thieves was mot likely thought of as one deserving it because of some sin or sickness and those who knew the Torah were NOT living according to the Torah by showing love and mercy whereas the Samaritan who desired to do right and knew life is extremely important, helped him. So in all reality it was a relative.


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most likely a Jew because they were hated and treated like dirt

It's the Samaritans who were actually treated like dirt... calling them dogs, cattle... the same things the Talmud calls non-jews today.

"Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put a certain Andreas at their head, and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would eat the flesh of their victims, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood and wear their skins for clothing; many they sawed in two, from the head downwards; others they gave to wild beasts, and still others they forced to fight as gladiators. In all two hundred and twenty thousand persons perished. In Egypt, too, they perpetrated many similar outrages, and in Cyprus, under the leadership of a certain Artemion. There, also, two hundred and forty thousand perished, and for this reason no Jew may set foot on that island, but even if one of them is driven upon its shores by a storm he is put to death. Among others who subdued the Jews was Lusius, who was sent by Trajan."--Cassius Dio's Rome, p.423
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/68*.html#32.1.2

And the same things they did to the Russians, during their Bolshevik Revolution.
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It's the Samaritans who were actually treated like dirt... calling them dogs, cattle... the same things the Talmud calls non-jews today.
"Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put a certain Andreas at their head, and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would eat the flesh of their victims, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood and wear their skins for clothing; many they sawed in two, from the head downwards; others they gave to wild beasts, and still others they forced to fight as gladiators. In all two hundred and twenty thousand persons perished. In Egypt, too, they perpetrated many similar outrages, and in Cyprus, under the leadership of a certain Artemion. There, also, two hundred and forty thousand perished, and for this reason no Jew may set foot on that island, but even if one of them is driven upon its shores by a storm he is put to death. Among others who subdued the Jews was Lusius, who was sent by Trajan."--Cassius Dio's Rome, p.423
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/68*.html#32.1.2

Sounds like Roman propaganda.

And the same things they did to the Russians, during their Bolshevik Revolution.

Sounds like spooky propaganda.
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Yes, the Samaritans were treated like dirt by the Jews, but the Jews were treated like dirt by the Romans of which I was trying to get across. The Samaritans were considered the half-breeds which to them is worse than if they were either Israel or some other nation but not a mixture.

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propaganda.

Seriously?  Why do you keep forgetting these things, Tyrone?

Don't you remember God saying He hated Esau... and did you forget that the Maccabees forced the Edomites to become part of the Jews?  Then, do you remember that the Jews said they'd never been in bondage, to which Jesus says He knows they are of Abraham's blood?  Therefore, do you remember what Jesus says about those who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie?

Which makes sense of what John the baptizer said to the Pharisees who came to be dunked.  Flee from Babylon, is what he was talking about.  And the Pharisees en masse were born somewhere around Persia.

And then there are all of those otherwise perplexing prophecies... which, if we didn't know better (re: the Jewish Encyclopedia), we'd be tempted to think that the people who're possitively identified as the blood-drenched murderous rebels of Kito's war (possibly exagerated... and wiki is philo-semetic ! ), are not Jews at all, but Edomites pretending to be Jews. Cyrene was completely depopulated... THINK about what that means...  Exageration, doubtful.

All of which makes some sense, re: the trickery Jacob did to get the blessing... Esau had come in from hunting (beasts or men?), and despised his birthright... and now Esau has it handed back to him on a silver platter.  Which the prophets said would happen, if you've been paying any attention at all, Tyrone.



And as for the Bolshevik Terror phase... what thinking person doesn't know that the Bolshevik Revolution was Jewish*?  I have shown you the proof for this several times now... it's not my fault that you keep forgetting. 
    For example, The Last Days of the Romanovs by Wilton, tells us that the murders were all Jews.  And even Putin knows that the Revolution was a Jewish* event. So did Solzhenitsyn, btw.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books

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Yes, the Samaritans were treated like dirt by the Jews, but the Jews were treated like dirt by the Romans of which I was trying to get across. The Samaritans were considered the half-breeds which to them is worse than if they were either Israel or some other nation but not a mixture.


 :)  Who here has read the OT begets and begots... and noticed the half-breedism from root to twig?  How many different racial stems came out of Solomon, alone?  Benjamin's wives are ALL from another race, at one point.  And isn't Rahab also listed in your chart of racial purity?  Why anyone still thinks that they actually kept their law...  ???


As for the Romans treating the Jews like dirt...:--
 
    Please explain Pilate's judgment and handwashing... and then the sentence.

Sounds a lot like Acts 24:27, to me.
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Yes there were half breeds through Solomon's many foreign wives and it got him into a lot of trouble. The situation also deals with the fact that many would not go up to Jerusalem which also made them detestable notice what the Samaritan woman said to Y'shua.

Rahab came INTO the nation of Israel, in other words she became an Israelite as did Tamar and Ruth.

What do you do about Luke 13:1 where Pilate mixed the blood of Jews with their sacrifices?

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Yes there were half breeds through Solomon's many foreign wives and it got him into a lot of trouble. The situation also deals with the fact that many would not go up to Jerusalem which also made them detestable notice what the Samaritan woman said to Y'shua.

Rahab came INTO the nation of Israel, in other words she became an Israelite as did Tamar and Ruth.

My point being that your chart of racial purity is full of holes... and not just in those two places.  What about the entire tribe of Benjamin? especially given the fact that they became part of Judah with the Edomites... and Benjamin is where Saul of Tarsus says he came from. 


What do you do about Luke 13:1 where Pilate mixed the blood of Jews with their sacrifices?

I disbelieve it.   Given what Luke says of his choice of what to include in his writings, you should expect at least one of the other gospels to mention everything that Luke says... especially, given the content, your Luke 13:1.  But then there's the odd phrasing, at the beginning of that verse.

An even larger problem shows up right after that verse, in Luke 13:6. 
    Matthew 21 and Mark 11 say the fig tree was an actual live event in Jesus' life... there's NO lapse in the judgment done by Jesus to that fig tree, according to Matthew and Mark. 
     Au contraire, says Luke, who has what appears to be that same fig tree... being given both time and fertilizer.   ::)   I can almost smell the fertilizer from my house.
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"And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead."--KJV

Where did your NT version get the word "Jew" from, 6996? 
The Greek word for Jew isn't there.
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/B42C010.htm

"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD."--Leviticus 19:18

In the OT verse, thy neighbor was a member of the same race. 
Which means that the "certain man" was NOT a Jew.

And you've missed the whole point of Jesus' parable, 6996.


"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?"--KJV

And where does your bible version get the words "Christian" and "friend"?
Those words aren't there in the Greek verse, either.
http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/B59C002.htm

And you've missed James' point as well, by substituting "friend" for those whom Jesus has described as brethren.


Version choice matters, apparently.

The New Living Translation is one of the translations that uses Jew.

It seems you look hard for things to disagree with me on, not sure why or what you disagree on here. I posted a comment, the Samaritan didn't know or care if the victim was Christian.  I'm saying the Bible teach anyone in need can be your neighbor, you are to love all without respect of person. 

If you believe the Bible teaches differently, please show.

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I'm saying the Bible teach anyone in need can be your neighbor, you are to love all without respect of person. 

The poor and the sick we will always have with us, because almost ALL of them are victims of the governments "established by God" as "ministers of God."  Would godly governments force us to drink aluminum waste products which scramble our brains?  Would godly governments take payola to pass chemicals where the adverse effects almost HAVE to outnumber anything good that might accidentally happen?  Would ministers of God charge it's homeborn an arm and a leg, so that we can stand in line with people who snuck into the country for all the freebees?  Yes, we should care that they're hurting... but we should care about our homeborn first.

I get what you're saying, 6996... but no government and no organization can fix these problems.  It's too late, for the flouride problem to be fixed.  And it's too late for all of the alphabet agencies to do what we're supposedly paying them to do.  It's just too late.  The reigns haven't been in the hands of Americans since we lost our banks... somewhere in the teens of last century.  A hundred years... and there is no fix.

All there is left is one hand helping one person at a time.  If even that can be managed, given the usury we're all slaves because of.  But it's never to late to witness.  Because that's all that really matters in this world, anymore.  And your witness had better match what Jesus actually said... because that's what you're being judged on.  So, hand out your cups of cold water; and hand your cash into every raggedy hand.  And let them see Jesus lives in you.     Because Jesus doesn't live in the governments, or alphabet agencies, or charity funds... where the love of money rules supreme.  He lives in what you do to make one soul live a little longer, a little better, and a little bit closer to our Heavenly Father.

And after all, what you want to see is what the antichrist will be selling.  Make sure you're not buying it, 6996.  The trick of Communism has always been to starve you into joining them.
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I've Always found it strange how White Conservative Christians make up excuses why the Government shouldn't help the poor, or they fail to tell you why the Government helping its needy citizens is a bad thing.

GOD judged Nations or Governments for their mistreatment of the poor. To help the needy is a great and Godly thing, why wouldn't Christians want the Government to do things that please GOD?

GOD tells us to treat poor  people just as kind as you would a rich person, but HE warns us to be careful of the rich person
James 2
5 Listen to me, dear brothers: God has chosen poor people to be rich in faith, and the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs, for that is the gift God has promised to all those who love him. 6 And yet, of the two strangers, you have despised the poor man. Don’t you realize that it is usually the rich men who pick on you and drag you into court? 7 And all too often they are the ones who laugh at Jesus Christ, whose noble name you bear.

We should pray the Government does things pleasing to GOD like helping the poor and needy.

You say the Government can't fix problems, not sure what you mean here. Which problem do you speak of?

When GOD commands us to love and help each other, HE isn't asking us to fix the problem. You feed a poor person that is hungry,  you didn't fix the problem, that person will be hungry tomorrow. When you are the government fulfill a command by GOD to help others, that doesn't fix everything, doesn't mean everything will be right now.

Don't make perfect the enemy good, just because it doesn't make things perfect, doesn't mean it isn't good.

The church as a whole here in America isn't doing a good job of helping the poor and needy.

In the past, our government had a huge role in helping suffering citizens, ending the ungodly practice of slavery, end Jim Crow laws, end segregation, end blockage of black education, outlaw black lynchings, forced equal treatment of women and thousands of other things the government had a role in helping.
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We should pray the Government does things pleasing to GOD like helping the poor and needy.


"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give Thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."--Matthew 4:8-9

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."--Revelation 14:12

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Not sure how Matt 24 fits with the topic of Governments, here are some things Scripture Teaches us about Governments

We ought to pray for those who govern us.

Every government is put in place by God.

God uses even sinful governments to do his will.

We should honor and submit to those who govern us.

All human governments will eventually end and Jesus will reign over everyone forever.
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Paul says that governments are created by God.

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."--Romans 13:1-2
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Matthew says that governments are created by Satan.

"Again, the devil taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto Him, All these things will I give Thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."--Matthew 4:8-9

THE 12 APOSTLES

"Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him."--Matthew 10:2-3

(Acts says that Judas was replaced by another man who had literally walked with Jesus.)

And Jesus said to His 12:

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."--Matthew 10:14-15

(They were given the power to judge... to bind and loose in Heaven.)

What did the 12 preach?

"The kingdom of heaven is at hand."--Matthew 10:7

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That's not what Paul taught.
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At the very beginning of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says this:

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."--Matthew 5:8-9

And then Jesus proceeds to tell His 12 the Law, as it was given to Moses.

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But James says this about Paul:

"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs."--Acts 21

And that does actually seem to be what Paul did:

"Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."--Philippians 3:2-3
   
In fact, here's Paul, teaching the sin of Balaam:

"Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. ... For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols"--1 Cor. 8:7,10
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"But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."--Revelation 2:14

"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols."--Revelation 2:20

(Spiritual fornication is the same thing as eating things sacrificed to demons. 
             And praying for Satan's kings is the same thing as praying to Satan.)
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."--Revelation 14:12